Sunday, January 11, 2009

Examining Negative Quotations that affect women image/dignity/Fundamental Rights

Women have had to struggle to attain and claim what belong to them, due to the fact that the so many demented recoginsed scholars and leaders had deemed it fit to belittle women and make them feel like they don't count in the society. A look at the quotations by some of these demented philosophers below will give you an insights into why women struggle to claim their rightful place in the society is necessary.
  1. " Nature intended women to be our slaves. They are our property." -Napolean Bonaparte
  2. "Women are nothing but machines for producing children." - Napolean Bonaparte
  3. "Women are like elephants. Everyone likes to look at them but no-one likes to have to keep one." - WC Fields
  4. "Women should be obscene and not heard." -Groucho Marx
  5. "Women's intuition is the result of millions of years of not thinking."- Rupert Hughes
  6. "Women: Can't live with them, can't bury them in the back yard without the neighbours seeing." - Sean Williamson
  7. "Women should have labels on their foreheads saying, 'Government Health Warning: women can seriously damage your brains, genitals, current account, confidence, razor blades, and good standing among your friends'." Jeffrey Bernard
  8. "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke." - Groucho Marx
  9. "The appropriate age for marriage is around eighteen for girls and thirty-seven for men." - Aristotle
  10. “So it is naturally with the male and the female; the one is superior, the other inferior; the one governs, the other is governed; and the same rule must necessarily hold good with respect to all mankind” - Aristotle
  11. “A man can be happy with any woman as long as he does not love her”- Oscar Wilde
  12. “Between men and women there is no friendship possible. There is passion, enmity, worship, love, but no friendship”- Oscar Wilde
  13. “Women are made to be loved, not understood” - Oscar Wilde
  14. “No woman should ever be quite accurate about her age. It looks so calculating” - Oscar Wilde
  15. "All women become like their mothers, and that's their tragedy. All men don't, and that's theirs." -Oscar Wilde
"Aristotle, maintained that women have fewer teeth than men; although he was twice married, it never occurred to him to verify this statement by examining his wives' mouths"
From this error in judgement, how can anyone take what he wrote seriously?

Oscar Wilde with all his sayings on women lived on his beloved wife Constance money for a long time. And that afforded him a life of luxury. That was before he was imprisoned for his "gross indecency" with other men.
Here is what Socrates says "My advice to you is get married: if you find a good wife you'll be happy; if not, you'll become a philosopher."
This just nailed it. It made a lot of things clearer as the interpretation one can give to this is these philosophers that saw nothing good in women or that even believed women to be their slaves were unhappy. Why carrying out this on women?
 
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46 comments:

bumight said...

"demented philosophers" is indeed the right word!

FineBoy Agbero said...

2nd. only ryt i be on a post like dis...

FineBoy Agbero said...

OK, dat was to claim my spot! and Bumight, well done o!

Ok, Standtall, i think it's ryt for u to crucify these "demented" philosophers. But i think we can forgive their ignorance on the basis of the era they lived in, in which women were treated as second class citizens and in which most women (most!) accepted their social roles without a fight, without complain. Women were content with being courted. They accepted the social status... You can blame these male philosophers for their words, but you can't blame them for the women who silently accepted their roles.

However, thanks to the works and struggles of women "liberalists": today we have a society in which women are accorded the same rights as men. And remember, men were also instrumental in making this come to reality; men in governance, men as philosophers.

To cap it all, what then do we say of the role that religion accords to women? Do we discount the Bible because it relegates women to positions below the man? Because it, like the Koran, commands women to be submissive? What do we say of a male God, a male Devil, a male saviour?

Thus, in the defence of the Demented Philosophers, of which Wilde is my favourite, cut these dead dudes some slack! They are just as guilty as the rest of their era. And singling them out is merely... selective prejudice!

Lastly, (I dey talk too much sef) let's not misconstrue this. I am not anti-female. Indeed, I am "a man with the soul of a woman." Proudly.

aloted said...

i dont believe fineboy agbero is an agbero o..kai see long story with plenty plenty english!

for me, I'll rather not examine these negatives quotes by a bunch of ignorants....i choose to remain positive about my gender!

FFF said...

am almost going to forgive those men, cos in their time they were very ignorants abt feminine powers & intelligence. however, wen i hear some men of recent years talking smack abt women, i wonder why hell their wives, sister, daughter etc must b living in

StandTall-The Activist said...

Bumight: No better word, I guess

FineBoy Agbero: I hear you. All these quotations of these people were and are acutally used by people of these generation that hero worship or believe in them. They must be suffering form the same ingorance as these men but for how long?
And it's not a selective prejudice my dear. If you were in my shoes and you read these quotations being referred to by some writers still as well as people that use them to put women down, you will have full understanding of this issue. And dont think I just selected these men cos I hated them. This was just a random selection.
Does submission as referred to in the bible the same as the interpretation and its application as we know it? May God help us to understand His word and use it better

Aloted: lol. Hmmm may be it's good to examine them and see how we can correct those using these sayings to belittle our wonderful gender. Where are my responses this woman?

FFF: You are right sis. These examining was as a result of the recent development. Some of our modern men don't see anything wrong in using these sayings! What a shame!

aloted said...

i dey come o...it involves brain work ni..lol...today or tomorrow God willing...

No vex.

NigerianDramaQueen said...

I guess alot of the words of these philosophers have to be examined in the context of the time when they were written. These words were written at a time when women were little more than second class citizens, and this was accepted. Today, most philosophers would outrightly reject such quotes. Even in the Bible, women were not counted or given much consideration due to context...Thank God times have changed!! There is one quote I kind of agree with though:

“Women are made to be loved, not understood” - Oscar Wilde

...I mean you gotta admit we are a hard specie to understand!!!LOL

--HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Jarrai said...

All of these quotes..reading them i am just shaking my head. No matter how educated man was even in those times they chose to supress and intimidate and silence women..even in religious book. I bet if God had a biro things would have been different but men wrote those books.

Thank the lord that finally women found thier voices..

However you will be amazed that some men still think like this..i read 2 blogs yesterday and they are both putting labels on women...some used quite insulting languages too...i got really fired up and left a whole post as a comment. I just couldn't beleieve my eyes..its sad really

But seriously its silence that harbours cause and effect...
if someone kicks you hard and you smile and pretend you can't feel the pain, expect to be kicked again!!

Ok..sorry for long post...this just gets me fired up. I berra go back to work :)

Severus Snape said...

Thank God for the Ghanaian speaker...
I can't wait for the time men will be denied political positions just because they are men. I want to see wetin we go talk cos we've been doing it to women since...
Lol...

StandTall-The Activist said...

NDQ: Hmmm good analysis. But I dont think I agree with OScar Wilde on "women are to be loved and not understood". I am yet to see how possible it is to love what you dont understand. Hmmm are we really difficult? I will say we are simply unique.

Jarrai: Long post ke? It's not long. I came up with these cos I see a lot f men still using thes quotes to insult and demeaning us today and it has to change. I kinda agree that it ould have being easier if God got a biro to write those books by self

Severus Snape; Thanks for stopping by. If men were to be denied a post cos they are men, it will start the 3rd world war straight! But it wont come to that. All we need is gender equality. let's all of us play our roles side by side and bring about the desired change that will last for all time

FineBoy Agbero said...

Well, submission in the context which the Bible meant certainly involved total subservience. As someone quipped in the subsequent comments, women were not even counted in the population. Imagine that!

Look at the case of Adam and Eve. They both sinned yet God cursed only Eve. Wait a minute: He did not curse Adam; he cursed the ground for Adam's sake! Yet Eve and her daughters have to bear children through pain. Double-standard? We dare not accuse God of such.

Why then did the Bible use "women" and "children" often in the same context? To depict a weaker breed? Of the disciples of Christ, why wasn't there a woman? The twelve tribes of Isreal... no woman. Of the books of the Bible, how many were written by women?

My dear, you'd definitely meet some people who would tell you God wanted women relegated to the background when men were around. Women were not even allowed to speak in the church in the time of the apostles. Paul expressly condemned it.

So, it's not a question of using the word of God wrongly. It is a question of recognizing what God meant. And who are we to question Him?

However, my challenge to women is for them to speak out to whatever injustice they are subjected to. They should denounce whatever laws show inequality. But there is a catch too: if women want to be treated as men, they must expect to be treated like men. They must assume equal responsibility. They must open car doors for us. Women must practise chivalry. They must change the tyre when it goes flat. They must make love to us, ask us for sex!

Abi, e too much?

poeticallytinted said...

I can harldy believe that people who usually are famed for their deep thinking e.g Aristotle and Oscar Wilde descend to making unintelligent noises when the subject of women is being discussed!

I did a whole thesis on gender roles through the ages and it is right in keeping with the times those statements were made. i doubt if any of them would blatantly write books with such fallacies about women today. Thank goodness for the women who fought to change things.

@ Fineboy Agbero: what IS the soul of a woman?!

aloted said...

Mr Fineboy abero- Nawa o, why is it that when people quote scriptures they take it out of context, did you read the verse before wives submit to your husbands?? It says Vs 21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Submission does not been being subservience and if it does…then it goes both ways according to this verse.

Also I believe Lisa explained the whole women not talking in church during her interview with standtall…Pls read it here- http://genderandme.blogspot.com/2008/12/interview-thursday-rev-lisa-of-black.html

I shall find time to investigate only Eve being cursed…can’t say much about that now…

Yes God created man and woman equally, but we simple have different roles to play. I don’t want to play your role as a man and I don’t expect you to play mine as a woman. So that your challenge ain’t valid to me.

:)

aloted said...

sorry didn;t mean to spell your name wrong...mistake!

Parakeet said...

Well done Standtall...never heard such claptrap in my life before all those yeye quotes from brainless men.

Uzezi said...

some serious quotations. personally, these men have nothing good to say about women because they fear the woman's intellects and talking her down is there way of trying to seem superior. in there lives, they met women who destroyed everything they believed women should be. pure assholes who were born by women.

Buttercup said...

i dunno if i agree with the quotations coming about because of the era in which the mentioned philosophers lived....i believe it all stemed from ignorance..

FineBoy Agbero said...

Aloted! I do object to you spelling my name wrong! LOL!

I did read the interview with Lisa. And here is what I can deduce:

1. Lisa is a woman who is also a preacher; it is only fitting for her to also, like me (like you said), interpret the scripture to suit her purpose. I'm not being judgmental here; only being objective.

2. Lisa did not really explain anything. She didn't use scripture (the only reference point when it comes to the Bible) to back up her position. She only mentioned women who were "influential" in the church. That's quite different from outrightly leading a congregation.

3. Who am I to take Lisa's words above Paul's? And I didn't want to quote the Old Testament o, lest you shoved Grace in my face!


Anyway sha, I did not take the scripture out of context; you only need to read the two or three places where Paul said women shouldn't lead a church. And the quote about women submitting was not used in isolation. It was used alongside concrete examples of where the Bible physically relegated women to back positions.

Again consider the Laws. When adultery is committed, it is the woman who is stoned. No one does nothing to the man! Or can adultery be committed by one person?

But the plot thickens: ironically, I was passing a mosque this evening and the prayer was on. Women were seated separately from the men, much in the way the blacks could not ride on the bus with the whites during the Segregation! Worse: the women were not seating in front of the men; they were behind! Or did I misinterpret scriptures there too?

See, I am not against equality for women. I am only wondering aloud about the position of religion on this. And what I see baffles me. I stand to be corrected though, as I want to have a religion that sees every individual as equal regardless of gender, colour, or age. I want to see a God who does not think a man is better than a woman.


And nice way of dodging my challenge!

FineBoy Agbero said...

poeticallytinted: how come a poet doesnt know what "the soul of a woman" is?

Temite said...

Hmmmmm Standtall my favorite activist, How are you doing? I trust you are doing very well. On the subject, I really adore Oscar Wilde, he spoke the truth of his generation in a very fascinating way and I equally sort of respect Aristotle and I think his quote was not meant to be read literally. Perhaps he meant that Woman do not have as much of a voice (the teeth metaphor) as Men in that society...which is still true today. Who knows...those of us who are literate try not to take the words in the various holy books of the monotheistic religions literarily, ergo, I dont think it would be prudent to label Aristotle and Oscar Wilbe(albeit to a lower extent) as demented. They were Men who contributed greatly to Western philosophy and culture. Aris is one of the fathers of democracy which directly sort of allows you to offer this opinion. I am not a Feminist at all, so maybe I am biased.

Grahamn Kracker said...

Due to an overwhelming life as the clock nears my departure to Washington, D.C. for the inauguration, I have been absent for a few days.

So I come back to see what Cat Tuesday brought, and instead find all these revealing comments, some made by people whose intellect I have admired or who humor I have laughed at (Groucho, of course).

I think it reveals more about time and evolution of thought than about the individual souls.

Even when I was small, the sentiments expressed were common and I could easily have wound up believing them all, but times changed, women spoke out, got degrees, took on "man only" jobs and did them well and changed the whole perspective.

A good provocative post!

I sure do hope you make it to Chicago!

pinkyandbrain said...
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pinkyandbrain said...

Napoleon,Oscar & Aristotle Are The Major Culprits But As FineBoy(Agbero For Where?)Skillfully Pointed Out,It Was An Oppressive Era For Women & The Social Norm.
The 7th Note By Jeffrey Bernard Is Acutely Humorous At Least He Made It Sound Like A Richard Pryor Stand-Up Give Out To Women.
Respect To Socrates - Considering The Chavinism Of His Contemporaries.
I Wont Go Into The Religion Aspect Coz Man Has Failed God Totally -The Bible Has Been Adulterated Several Times Over The Medieval Centuries To Suit Man's Selfish Motive..Well Politics Is As Old As The Garden Of Eden.
If Hitler Had Succeeded,Today's Doctrine Would Have Been That Jews Were Not Meant To Exist Hence The Extermination.I Know Someone Powerful Back In The Centuries Perfected A Religious Purging & Massive Brainwashing That Has Now Left Confusion In Our Today Humble Search For God...A Pity Some Are Ardent Atheist Now.
Forgive Us Supreme One For We Know Not What To Believe.

StandTall-The Activist said...

FineBoy Agbero: It's like you forgot what Jesus did when he came. He took the curse away from both men and women.

If God cursed the ground that Adam till, do you think that is an ordinary curse. And he didnt curse only the ground, he cursed the man that will till it too.

An example of how Jesus as redeemed us all from the curses on what have you was how he asked the people that want to stone the adulterer to do so if they never sinned. May be you should read new tastement more and see how JESUS Redeemed both women and men. And I still insist that is a question of using the word of God wrong.

In the beginning before Eve and Adam sinned, God said he gave both of them dominion over the earth. That is equality in its real sense and Jesus has come to fulfilled that. Pls take note

God is never partial, so don't be misinformed.If he were partial, women would just be dumb and not be as intelligent to know that they have vital roles to play in the world. Women are the builders of men, dont forget that.

There might not have being so many writings in the bible by the women but that didn't negate the powerful role women played. I do hope you know that Isreal at one point had a female leader, that led them to battle?

Pinkyandbrain said and I qoute "I Wont Go Into The Religion Aspect Coz Man Has Failed God Totally -The Bible Has Been Adulterated Several Times Over The Medieval Centuries To Suit Man's Selfish Motive".

And I do hope in all sincerity you are not as chauvinistic as some of the men that have failed us. You accused Lisa of interpreting the bible to suit her purpose and you didnt agree to the fact that men have being doing same for ages. You would rather say it's God who said it. Men wrote it. How objective is that?

So many men won't be where they are today if there mothers had not paid the price of preparing them.

One quick question: so in your own opionion submitting to ones husband means the woman is a slave, right? Is that what you meant? Do you remember that who God intended for a woman to be submitted to is a man that has already submitted to God's will? God is never partial

Do try and asnwer Poetically Tinted question. Thanks

StandTall-The Activist said...

Poetically Tinted: that really baffled me when I started seeing the quotations being used by people and I had to research into someone f them. In fact some men still use it as an argument to suppress women today.



Aloted: Thanks for sharing more light on this biblical issue with FineBoy Agbero. I really wonder who he has being listening to in the religion circle (lol)


Parakeet: I really wonder, why as intelligent as they were being referred to, they deemed it fit to demean women! And women are their mothers… don’t let me say and wives cos some of them didn’t know what a good marriage was



Uzezi: Couldn’t agree more. You captured everything in a simple intellectual way



Buttercup: sure it was just a pity that the ignorance was extended to today’s MEN! Not all of them but some of them that feel as superior as those with the quotes



Temite: Good angle to the whole thing. Thank you for your insight my sister. Demented might have appear as such a strong word really, but they were sure irrational about such quotes. And you don’t have to be a feminist to see things objectively. Besides, who says you are not a feminist. So far you believe in the rights of women and their empowerment, you are my dear
I didn’t write this from a feminist angle, I have had interaction with a lot of people including men that pointed out to the harm those quotations has caused women.
Remember that some people will still die for Hitler; they believe he was on the right path, not minding all the destructions he caused.

I do recognize the work of these men and I am in no way saying they did not make significant contributions to our word. The same way they contributed to its destruction.
All their quotations are still being used in today’s world. So, I doubt if it’s prudent for an intellectual to make such statements whether literally or otherwise.



GK: How is your trip plans going? When will you be off to Washington, D.C? My best wishes to Obama, his family and cabinet. And I do agree with you that this post is provocative. My intention exactly, we need to learn to brainstorm on issues




Pinkyanbrain: I like the way you ended your comment “Forgive Us Supreme One for We Know Not What to Believe”. God is simple enough to believe. I will pray for God to help us have unbiased leaders that will bring its true word to its fulfillment

aloted said...

@FineBoy Agbero (i think i got it right this time)- I see Standtall has addressed this issue to my satisfaction so i won't say too much.

On the adultery matter as per the law- it was both the man and the woman that got punished. See Leviticus 20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

God is no respecter of any man and i mean man literally, so don't get it twisted.

But that is not even the issue for me. Bottom line is that I believe God sees man and woman as equals like i said before. I don't care if man or any religion thinks otherwise...cuz I know who I am in God based on my personal relationship with him.

FFF said...

am really uncomfortable wen pple argue their points with religion. cos as far as am concerned, d bible can b a double-edged sword. it can cut u either ways. any one on opposing sides can find justification using d bible/religion, therefore i stay away 4rm it.

@ fineboy agbero: if all dat being a man is is opening doors 4 women & making love instead of asking 4 it, den it's truly sad. gender equality does not in any way say men should lose their manners, or women theirs.

FineBoy Agbero said...

Okay, this is my last comment on this issue as I would not want to continually fan the fire of misinterpretation that has come my way.

Standtall, you indeed misinterpreted my position. My very first comment (or 2nd) is my true position. Read it carefully. In subsequent ones, I was merely "thinking aloud" on what position religion has on this issue. Read those carefully again. I was merely asking open questions, so much more that I even added:

See, I am not against equality for women. I am only wondering aloud about the position of religion on this. And what I see baffles me. I stand to be corrected though, as I want to have a religion that sees every individual as equal regardless of gender, colour, or age. I want to see a God who does not think a man is better than a woman.


So, where did you put that when you said I used the word of God wrongly? Scriptures that I never even interpreted but just pointed out? Which was why I said I wasn't going to even mention the Old Testament because people would just point me to the New Testament like the old isn't part of the Bible. Yeah, Jesus came in the New Testament to change so many things and redeem people from the bondage of the Law. But does that CHANGE History? Does that mean that God DIDN'T MEAN mean the things that were in the old testament? I digress...

On the matter of the curse in Genesis, I will merely put the scripture here for the benefit of all. And mind: I am not interpreting it. I will just put it up.

Genesis 3:16-17 (KJV)
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;




But as a christian you did make the error of saying "Men wrote it." I insist: God said it. I believe nothing would have found its way into the Bible if God had not wanted it to be there. And here's proof:

2 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version)

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


"For instruction in righteousness..." hmmm.

Lastly, I am sincerely (thank God!) not biased towards female issues. Indeed, I have always leaned towards the female perspective on things. I also believe women are more intelligent than men. And I believe you position on women making men better people. Isn't that why we call our wives our "better halves?" My two closest friends are female, not even guys. I cannot and will not be chauvinistic. I have only tried to get more light on things that baffled me about the way religion handled gender equality. So far, I have not been enlightened; merely refuted, and sarcastically answered... sicI really wonder who he has being listening to in the religion circle (lol). In the spirit of good discourse, I have taken no offence. Sincerely. And I hope you do not too. Lisa may be known personally to you, but I have nothing personal against her. I was only trying to assess her argument objectively.

We are merely rubbing minds, my dear. And when you rub two things together, friction occurs. No offence taken; none given. If it seems I attacked you, I am sincerely sorry.

And I am indeed an agbero! I swear!

FineBoy Agbero said...

Aloted: thanks for the Bible quote. I sincerely didn't know that. Guess that solves that aspect. And thanks for this also:

Bottom line is that I believe God sees man and woman as equals like i said before. I don't care if man or any religion thinks otherwise...cuz I know who I am in God based on my personal relationship with him

The best way to deal with God is always through personal convictions. Thanks for reminding me.

FineBoy Agbero said...

FFF: don't be dismayed yet. That part was meant to be a joke; more of sarcasm. Men should in no way lose their sense of chivalry or their manners. (And I do open doors for my girlfriend!)

StandTall-The Activist said...

FineBoy Agbero: I am in no way trying to offend you. I am sorry if I sounded that way. I am often fired up when I am having constructive arguement.

No doubt I misunderstood you. I thought you were justifying the positions. I didnt take it that you were baffled my some of these things. Sorry dear

I think I was referring to the fact tha God did not curse only the ground but Adam as you mention here "...n sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life". But this is of no importance any more as Jesus has redeemed this by dying for us. God's thought towards us in of good and not of evil. You know

Yes. God said it and men wrote it. I just wonder if what God said was never diluted in anyway. (Just wondering aloud o). And some of the God's messangers too said somethings from their own experience in the bible as well. If you will agree with me.

We seem to be on the same footing though with diverse thinking (if am right)

Do let me know if I have cleared something here. I never intend to get you offended. I just love this our discussion. Isn't that part of the fun of being a blogger

Say you aint mad at moi and I shall smile

FineBoy Agbero said...

Mad at you ke? Lailai!!! I was just tryn to fix the tones i detected in ur "voice." I wasnt mad one bit, seriously! I swear by my forefathers! (now, dat's extreme, I know!)

Yeah, I guess we are on the same footing on this. Really. Some times, one just wonders, you know. But I guess God will reveal all once we get up there. And you have indeed cleared up some issues. Quite appreciated!

And it is fun being a blogger! How else would one explain this "mental sparring" with someone one doesn't even know. I so love this your post; it's been quite eye-opening!

So smile. I ain't madatcha!

poeticallytinted said...

Y'all have been having a ball without me!

@Fineboy Agbero: There are people more qualified than I to argue about bible verses with you 'cos i have no religious affinities until I am able to find one that makes absolute sense to me. But this is what Ephesians 5 says:
21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[c] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.


my fav is "for this reason a man...." you have no reason getting married if you are not ready to die for her! When i read this passage, I see marriage as an institution where the man is nearly a slave for the woman, but looks like the woman is being cajoled not to take advantage and be nice. Well depends on how you look at it... the point is a real man does much more than open doors occassionally and give an obligatory stab at a woman's vagina every now and then...

For me the key is this, men and women are simply two sides of the same coin and must learn to grow mutual respect for each other in order to work together in a responsible manner that fosters social cohesion.

Men are not much different from women you know except biologically of course. Most of the perceived differences are basic social programming and brainwashing which has gone on for years. More women are beginning to realise who they truly are and how unlimited their options are really. It is not a war against men, it is an intrinsic, fundamental, essential and heartfelt need to be true to ourselves so some men can quit feeling threatened and get on with their lives. Truly, it's not about them. It's about whoever propagates the fallacies we have had to fight against, man, woman, place or thing!
Who says pink has to be my favorite color? Who says I want you to open doors for me? who determines my favourite meal? who determines my likes and dislikes? Who says it's okay for me to be hair dresser but not a motor mechanic? etc Who? nature or society?

Fine boy Agbero, I still have no clue what a woman's soul could possibly be. Do share... and it'd better not be some stereotypical mumbo-jumbo or I'll let aloted, Standtall and FFF eat you alive :D

Sorry everyone for the long Bible passsage.

Afrobabe said...

Imagine...that Napolean Bonaparte should be killed if not that he was already dead...foolish man...

Afrobabe said...

Fineboy agbero...what happened to ur pidgin??? OMG he's been americanized!!!

Geebee said...

Hmmmmmm very educative. I never knew so many great philosophers said a lot of thrash about women. I believe in women liberation but I still maintain a stand that naturally God ordained men to always be the head. Now I guess I just stepped on a foot. I'm impressed by your ideology notwithstanding and I see a very bright future for women in Africa, especially with the level of awakening on their parts these days. Wonderful post. I bet chauvinists would wish people like you never existed but then that's their headache. Thanks for stopping by my blog. I'm glad i stopped by yours and I just became a follower. Cheers.

aloted said...

I am back o...I didn't realise I will be so much involved in this topic..lol..but one wire don touch for my head.

@Geebee- I dunno about other women o, but no one is fighting "head" position with man..a lot of responsibility comes from being the head like poeticallytinted said in her post so man should keep it..lol...

AlooFar said...

Oscar Wilde is just one funny dude! I relate with him same way i relate with Woody Allen.

Tigeress said...

Although these statements were made AGES ago, a lot of men (Nigerian) still feel that way. Now when i meet such retards, i just clearly avoid them- no need to get worked up by them. Funny thing is- they WILL find a woman that wld fall into their perception of what a woman's role/position is.

And boy do men just LOVE and FLY with the Bible passage of wives being submissive & respectful. Only if they had the sense to fully understand the depth of what it means to LOVE YOUR WIVES as Christ loved the Church. Submission Vs. Love- there is no comparison. If these men should go and read what Corinthians says what love is or study how Christ showed us love - then they'll shut the hell up about submission and stop looking for a so-called weaker sex to stroke their ego and make them feel like mini-gods.

I'm glad there is no where in the Bible that women are ordered to Love their husbands. I reckon Agape love will do just fine. lol!!

StandTall-The Activist said...

FineBoyAgbero: Lol at your swearing and Afrobabe thinks you have being Americanised (lol)

Poetically Tinted: made important contributions to even clear the air more....

Poetically Tinted: Carry on mi-lady. This is why some men are afriad for women's lib cos they are afraid to let the truth be known but I wonder how an intelligent, God made woman can be ever brainwashed into take a place that is not hers in the first place. It can't happen. All we are saying is the world will be more peaceful if women fundamental human rights are respected in truth.

Afrobabe: I wonder what that Napo guy was thinking really. It was a pity that he was long gone. He should be here to apologise. Who Americanized FineBoy Agbero?


Geebee: Just like Aloted said below. No one is fighting headship with the men. If they were to play there role in truth, there will less marginalisation and discriminations in the world. Thanks for stopping by too

Aloofar: Tell me more about Woody Allen.


Tigeress: Exaclty! It's simple really. If everyone is on the same footing. Fundamental human rights of women and men equally catered for and respected and people remembering that God made us equally, life will be wonderful!

FineBoy Agbero said...

American-wetin? I no sabi oyinbo o! And besides, abi someone don hijack my identity??? Who post all these long long oyinbo things in my name??
Kai! I must report to blogger o!!

Jaguda said...

i particularly enjoy the works of Oscar wilde who was a troubled but brilliant man. like art you enjoy some, you abhor some. ultimately some of his words rang home till this day, and some rank of downright discrimination. fineboyagbero summed it up nicely when he said their times were different

Kafo said...

wow i have never heard of any of these negative quotes in my life

i don't know if that means i was sheltered, fortunate or just ignorant

hmmmmm

Da_Man said...

Ok but seriously... while you are all speaking nonsense... who is making my sandwich?

StandTall-The Activist said...

@ Dan Man: As we are speaking this nonsense has your hands got amputated that you can’t make your own sandwich?

My Passion, my focus, the change that I want to see in the world - is my propellent factor.

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